Jason Hartman starts the show with some advice on self-managing your properties. He looks at some economic headlines including what’s happening with the Federal Reserve. In the interview segment of the show, he hosts the author of 5 Keys to Master Your Life, Peter Sage. They discuss his 6-month stay in jail and what it has taught him about himself, inmates, and his students.

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Jason Hartman 1:03
Welcome and thank you so much for joining me today. This is your host Jason Hartman with Episode 950 950. Of course, this is a 10th episode show. And you know what we do we discuss a topic of general interest. And today, I think you’ll really enjoy this interview with a returning guest. That is Mr. Peter sage. And he’s got a very interesting story to share with you today. So, you’re going to hear about that. And we’ve got some good stuff coming up for you this week on self management. I did an in depth interview for an hour in 10 minutes with my mother, the extreme do it yourselfer and our client drew Baker who you may have met him meet the masters or you’ve heard him on the podcast before they are going to talk about getting some questions answered about self management. And again, I recommend a hybrid approach to self management. And remember, you’re not committed to it you can always change your mind In five minutes, you can contact another property manager and have them take over your property. Okay? It’s not a permanent decision. So don’t wrestle with it. It’s something that I think many of you should be trying. Not all of you not if you’re new to the game, but quite a bit easier than you think. And we want to empower you to be empowered investors. You can place ads on Zillow, postlets Craigslist, you can remove friction and remove conflicts. So we will be talking about that this week, as we do a two part episode or two episodes, I guess a two part series on self management and taking a deep dive into that again. So I have an introduction for you. Yes, I would like to introduce you to our new Fed chair. Yes, this is the most powerful economic position in the entire world. Jerome Powell will take over you Next month, he’s expected to pretty much kind of follow the Yellen, the Janet Yellen path, you know, we will see what he’s like as a Fed chair. But you know, of course, Trump did not want to offer a second term to Janet Yellen because he hates women. Right. You know, that’s the reason I’m joking, of course. But, you know, I just wanted to give you some fodder to be angry about for those of you who you hate Trump. Yeah, can’t say anything anymore in today’s world, can you anyway, Jerome Powell is coming aboard. He will start on February 4, I believe. He served for five and a half years on the feds board. He’s 64 years old. He’s a lawyer and an investment manager by training, but he’s the first Fed chair, at least in recent history, who doesn’t have in advanced economics degree. Okay, so this Might be a more practical kind of character, we shall see what he’s like. That’s one of the things that you can say is sort of mirrors. Trump. You know, Trump is kind of a love him or hate him. He’s kind of a sort of a practical kind of pragmatic type of person versus an ivory tower intellectual. We will see, we will see, you know what he’s like, but he it looks like he’ll be pretty much like a Yellen type of Fed chair. The Wall Street Journal says if inflation remains under 2%, house fed might skip rate increases. So you know, now, you know, the changing of the guards here, right. The Fed heads publicly announced that they would raise rates three times, maybe even four times this year, and twice next year. But hey, maybe it won’t happen. We got a new guy at the helm here. So we’ll see what he’s like. I’m kind of wondering because Janet Yellen was Ostensibly one of the wealthiest if not the wealthiest fed shares, and you know, the reality is these guys and gals are a lot richer than they say I bet right? But you know, her net worth coming into the Fed was supposed to be about $13 million. And Greenspan’s was about 10 million, you know, according to these websites, yeah. Who knows if you can trust them or not? It’s interesting. I don’t know, pals kind of financial history and, and what his net worth is like. So I’m just kind of curious about that. It’s a little aside. It doesn’t necessarily dictate how we all govern. But without further ado, we will get to Peter sage. It’s my pleasure to welcome a returning guest back to the show and that is Mr. Peter sage. He is an amazing person, a serial entrepreneur, author, Master Trainer, educator, philosopher, public speaker, talks about fields of human behavior. Personal Development psychology of success. He started founded and built over 20 companies in the last quarter century, diverse industries. He’s shared the stage with Bill Clinton, Richard Branson, Kofi Annan just has has a rather amazing life actually. So he’s had a recent adventure that most people would consider pretty negative. And we’re going to talk about that today as we talk about how to deal with adversity. And of course, we’ll touch on some other stuff as well. Peter, welcome back. How are you? Jason? Absolute pleasure to be here. It’s wonderful to connect. I’m great. Thank you. Well, most people would think the experience you just finished you call it an adventure and most people would consider that an amazing label for what happened to you. Tell the audience what happened to you. I mean, your Could we call you an ex con now?

Peter Sage 6:53
No, not technically, because I still don’t have a criminal record. I mean, it was fascinating the way things unfolded. I was in a Typical legal disputes and anybody in who’s anybody in business these days understands the power of litigation, your litigation is nothing more than a tool. It’s got nothing to do with who’s right or wrong.

Jason Hartman 7:10
It’s a mess.

Peter Sage 7:12
Yeah. Yeah. Why does Apple Sue Samsung over patent rights, it’s so that they can get their products blocked. The, you know, the Berlin fair, it’s not about who’s right or wrong. I found myself wound up against a bit of the David and Goliath situation where I got a fortune 100 you know, blue LC company, doing 140 billion a year took a little bit of exception of a business deal. We’ve done six years before and decided to, you know, sort of knock on my door one day with a freezing order to squeeze me into a supplement. Repeat intention.

Jason Hartman 7:41
Yeah, but so Peter, so you were in a deal. You had a deal with Hewlett Packard, their fortune 100 company, huge, huge company, obviously lots of money, lots of lawyers. And that was six years earlier. And what just you know, like in a sentence, just tell us what was the dispute like were they suing you for like a collection matter? Did they say you breached the contract or you know what happened?

Peter Sage 7:59
They said said that I resold some at some goods that I wasn’t entitled to resell. And you know, there was no contract there was no nothing preventing me. And so they were just trying to get some extra profit that I’d made on the deal, as far as I was concerned, but you know, they’re using the legal system to manipulate me. So I kicked back and my ego got in the way. And when I was in court, I thought it would get thrown out. And I basically found my son ended up being in contempt, and was sentenced to what ended up serving six months in one of Britain’s toughest jails with the as the only non criminal in the jail. So I was a civil prisoner. That was unexpected. I didn’t see coming as many adversity sort of, you know, don’t arrive announced. And, yeah, woman, I’m running a business with 50 staff adding value. I’ve got my wedding happening. I’ve got seminars happening in the next minute. I’m in jail. Wow. That’s amazing. So,

Jason Hartman 8:45
you know, when you’re found in contempt, though, it’s because you didn’t participate in part of the litigation. You know, I had a litigation where I was suing an insurance company once and they found me in contempt and it wasn’t my fault at all. It was my lawyers fault. He just disappeared. peered Peter. I mean, the guy just disappeared. Now, of course, I filed a bar complaint against the scumbag. And you know, hopefully he’ll lose his license. I mean, I had another lawyer years ago that did lose his license, because he was such a weasel. It’s scary how your lawyer can get you into trouble through literally no fault of your own. And what I find is that and I don’t know if this is this way in England, but in the US, the judges don’t really place the blame on the lawyers, much they place it on the parties and not the party’s fault at all. A lot of times. So, yeah, I had to pay a sanction. I was really upset about that. And, you know, I’ll probably never recover it from the lawyer who’s disappeared, but, you know, hopefully you’ll at least lose his license over it. But yeah, it’s so So what happened? What did you not participate in? Is that the way it works in Britain, or no,

Peter Sage 9:53
it was that it was down to a freezing order. Yeah. And it was it was things like you know, I should have provided bank statements which I was happy to do, and I should And I ended up signing to Hewlett Packard all of the authorities for them to go get them. But because two of the banks didn’t respond to that letter, six months later, they file a contempt charge for me. I’m like, Well, guys, I gave you permission to go get it. That’s what you want. It was that kind of stuff. It was all smoke and mirrors. And I really thought it would get thrown out. But now I went in there. Basically, instead of apologizing to the court, I went in there with my backup against the wall kicking back against what I thought Hewlett Packard were doing, which was basically really taking liberties because they had more money. That was my mistake. It was my ego that essentially got me caught up there and that I found myself you know, next minute in inside one of the candles with you know, we’re talking everything from terrorists to mass murderers to you know, rapists to all of that kind of stuff that you normally see on TV. It was like it was really like Prison Break. It was that kind of Wow,

Jason Hartman 10:47
wow. Sort of surprising that over a civil matter, they put you in such a harsh prison. I don’t know maybe that’s the way the system works in England, but in the US, I usually think it’s, you know, kind of club fed concept. You know, But

Peter Sage 11:00
yeah, no, I should have been there for a week before transferred to an open facility. And I was actually there for just under five months and served my last sort of five, six weeks in an open facility. But in that sort of four and a half, five months, I had an amazing time. I really did. I went in there without the identity of a prisoner. This is this is a huge part because identity plays such an important part in how you deal with life. Yeah, it’s the governing factor in how we see ourselves. I went in there as a secret agent of change. Yeah, you can’t resist what happens. Yeah, crying over spilt milk is always the time you know, the milk is spilt you can’t undo it. So resistance to what is is futile. So you know, when I was walked down the steps, and they slammed the door, I mean, okay, I’m here. What do I do about it? Yeah. And so I take all the energy of resentment, all the energy of pity and self, you know, sort of woe is me and channel that into what if I’m here, what am I clinging, I try to help people. That’s what I do. So maybe I’m here to help people that wouldn’t normally get access to my work yet. Let’s go to work and do that. And that’s what I did. And I embarked on this secret agent of change kind of mission, and had the most incredible sort of four to five months in that jail that I would never have had the opportunity to participate in or enjoy. Now had that not happened.

Jason Hartman 12:11
So, you know, there’s an old saying that I really try to live by everything in life is what you make it, it’s not what it is that counts. It’s how you take it. And you know, you seem to have really mastered that under very difficult circumstances. How did you do that a lot of what happens to us in life is or how we perceive it, obviously, is just self talk. If we keep telling ourselves with our conversations in our head, you know that this is terrible, it’s unfair, you know, I’m bitter, I’m angry about it, you know, then certain results will follow Peter. But if we tell ourselves, hey, you know, this is an opportunity. It’s, you know, kind of bad. You know, hey, listen, if you’re in business nowadays, probably, you know, if you’re really trying to make it happen, you’re stressed and you know, you could almost look at this as kind of a break. It’s a different kind of stress, maybe depending on who you’re with. But

Peter Sage 13:07
what is it? Yeah. Again, understanding that stress only lives in one place in the universe. And that is in the mind. That’s it. Everything else just is, you know, the tree doesn’t stand there worrying if it’s going to get blown down by a storm tomorrow. It just deals with whatever happens. And what we forget is that life is a growth centric experience. We’re here to evolve and the only way you evolve is to adapt ation to challenge it. We’ve got 400 million years of fossil records that guarantee that now that’s not arguable. Now, the strongest trees growing the strongest winds, not the best soil. So when adversity shows up, because we’ve been conditioned into this 20th 21st century level of certainty that just doesn’t exist. We feel that we have the right to be comfortable and challenge. And as every parent knows, you know, the unchallenged child remains juvenile. You have a situation where stuff is going to happen, we can’t control that. So if you’re trying too, I got news for you, life is gonna throw you curveballs not because it doesn’t like you. But because you know, it’s your personal trainer. If you hire a personal trainer, go to the gym and you don’t throw up at the end of the session, you want your money back. But if you have a perspective, let’s say you’re doing a deal, a real estate deal, and all of a sudden, you put all of the importance on, it’s got to close because you need to pay your mortgage on Friday and the deal goes south, it doesn’t matter what happens. It only matters with what you do with what happens as you as you rightly say. So you’ve got one or two ways to look at that. You can either say well, what can I learn from this? What’s great about this, I’ve not noticed yet ask yourself better questions or even go. Instead of digging and reaching for an insight. Most people reach for a drink, they reach for distraction, because they don’t know how to handle it. They start a future pacing negative scenarios. And then what if some, and at that point, you’re done, because the only thing you can ever do, Jason is experience what’s in the outer world through the interpretation of the inner world. You know, two men sat behind prison bars, one saw mud, the other saw stars, the environment is almost irrelevant. It’s how you deal with the environment internally. And that’s it. And again, identity plays a part. Do you see yourself as an entrepreneur? Do you see yourself as a, you know, a superstar salesman? Or do you see yourself as somebody who’s trying to make it in the world because the world is trying to beat you up? Yeah, right. Right. There was ultimately a mirror. It’s gonna agree with everything that you put out that Oh, sure. life’s hard. All you’re going to attract is evidence that you’re right. Yeah,

Jason Hartman 15:25
yeah, absolutely. You know, Peter, it amazes me how in life, some people get so discouraged over little tiny things. I’ll share two examples for you to comment on one time I remember I was I saw the movie many years ago Gladiator with Russell Crowe. We all know the movie. I walked out of that movie with a buddy of mine, fellow entrepreneur who, who said, Look at what these people went through, and I can’t even get my salespeople to make a darn cold call. You know, they’re like afraid of rejection. And when you know, these people were obviously the gladiator, you know, they’re putting their life on the line. I mean, it’s just insane what they went through. So that’s one one thing that I thought was a very interesting comment. And then the other one is, you know, in one of my companies, we help people buy real estate nationwide and build real estate portfolios. And it amazes me sometimes how these little tiny bumps in the road, you know, someone will come in with big plans, you know, I’m going to be a big landlord, and I’m going to, you know, work my way up to 200 units, and this will be my awesome retirement and so on and so forth. And all these plans laid out, and then the first sign of a problem, you know, the tenant doesn’t pay rent for a month, Oh, I got to evict a tenant, or they trashed the property or the property manager doesn’t, you know, doesn’t do what I wanted to do or whatever. It’s like, Oh, nevermind, I’ll just, you know, forget about that. I’ll just do something else. You know, my my whole plan for my life in retirement and Financial welfare is let’s just throw it out the window now. It’s shocking to me, I can’t believe it.

Peter Sage 17:05
Yeah, and you raise two great points then and I’ll adjust them individually. The first one is what I call contrast frames. And I wrote about this in the letters that I wrote from prison to people that are in my coaching groups to to teach them how I was dealing with this level of adversity and, and sort of sailing through it. One of the first things I did is I went and ordered and had my partner send in five copies of Victor Frankel’s book Man’s Search for Meaning, which gives the book is awesome. That’s what everybody should read Man’s Search for Meaning phenomenal life changing. Everybody in prison should read Man’s Search only because by the time I was having these books out, I donated them to the prison library people I defied anybody to read that book in Pentonville, which was the you know that the 200 year old prison I was in a bit like Shawshank. I would challenge them to not read that and cry with tears of gratitude at how lucky they were to be in that prison and not outfits. It’s a contrast from everyday use compared to

Jason Hartman 17:55
1230 Peter, I’m so glad you said that. That’s what I say all the time. It’s like one of my favorite quotes compared to what, you know, people are complaining about this thing, that thing, the other thing. And it’s fair to make observations. I mean, we’ve got to do that. Otherwise, you know that that’s important to just say, this is wrong, that’s wrong without comparing it. But the thing by asking ourselves the right question compared to what that question, I believe, inspires gratitude for where we are, if you think this is wrong, and you know, people talk about Trump and the government or whatever, right, compared to what compared to Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mao, I mean, compared to what, you know, I mean, compared to the old pot, you know, come on, people seriously, your life is not that bad. You know, it looks like you’re having gourmet coffee every day, basically live in a free country. It’s just insane.

Peter Sage 18:51
You know, and you can you can also use that phrase in when it comes to health and health is one of my passions as well. And people say, oh, should I drink coffee? Yeah, well To walk compared to a McDonald’s milkshake, then coffee is better for you compared to drinking alive cucumber juice, then you take the juice, now should I eat they should at all compared to what? And it’s always a it’s a great way to be able to start you thinking from a contrast perspective rather than just say complaining or focusing on the fact that life isn’t the way you want it to be in therefore you’re getting stressed. Your second point with regards to you know, salespeople and things like that, that fall out of bed on their dream, the second that they hit rejection, a lot of that has to do with not having the balance of what I call ego strength and ego drive. Ego strength is rejection armor, you need people to say, right, today, I want to get 50 noes, because I know that that’ll take me towards my goal. And the key to that is understanding personal and concept rejection. Now just because somebody says no to you doesn’t mean to say or says no to your deal doesn’t mean to say they’re rejecting you personally. And most people because their identity is what they do. As soon as somebody disagrees with them. They take it personally and they’re out of the game. So ego strength is required ego drama. is the ability to get out of bed in the morning. And you know, go knock 50 doors. And you know, if you’ve got ego strength, you’ve got no ego drive, you can handle rejection but you’re unmotivated. If you’ve got ego drive so you’re up at 6am and you’re hitting the street but you’ve got no ego strength again second door that you knock on that says no you quit. So having that balance as a healthy you know, sort of entrepreneurial drive and spirit is critical, but you’re going to get taken out of the game if you believe that when somebody says no to whatever it is that you’re offering, that you take it personally and the ability to sidestep that is is huge. I’ve always said not one of the people that I love to hire salespeople are Jehovah’s Witnesses. Why? Because they are so used to having the door slammed in their face and people saying no, and they don’t even blink, they smile. They thank the person for slamming the door they face they move on, they make incredible sales. And then not

Jason Hartman 20:49
just that, you know the Mormons. I mean, they’re just very persistent. I mean, listen, folks, if you can sell religion door to door, you’re an amazing person. Okay. That’s incredible. That’s an incredible accomplishment. It really is. So yeah, good point.

Peter Sage 21:04
Good point. So yeah, my question to the listeners would be, you know, how do you see yourself in terms of your identity? Are you someone who likes health? Or do you see yourself as an athletes, that’s going to be the tipping point when you go to supersize your meal or take the salad? Do you see yourself as an entrepreneur, even though you don’t have a business, or you’re trying to start a business to prove he can be an entrepreneur? If I lost everything, which I pretty much did going inside, doesn’t change my identity of an entrepreneur, I go out and find a business because that’s what entrepreneurs do. Now, I don’t need to go and get one to prove that I am. Most people are driven by what I call goop, GOP, the good opinion of other people. They need to validate themselves through other people’s agreement. And if you’re playing that hamster wheel, I got news for you. It’s life’s tough because you’re always trying to adapt to get agreement approval, validation, recognition, that’s a fast track to nowhere. There’s a lot of aspects to being able to deal with life deal with adversity, to recognize that you know, The eight. It’s all learning and feedback. So you know, thank you. I don’t know why this happened, my life would be different. But to paraphrase your earlier point, you know, things work out best for the people who make the best of the way things work out. And there’s no free rice. It’s not meant to be we’re here to grow and to grow, you need a gym, and life is a gym,

Jason Hartman 22:17
right? You need some adversity to grow. And you know, it’s it’s, it’s you look at, like spoiled children who never had any adversity in life, and they’re just incapable they can’t do anything. You know, their social social disaster. Yeah, yeah. They’re just like babies. I mean, you know, I know quite a few of those types of people. And it’s, if you’re a parent, you gotta give your kids some adversity, almost intentionally, like it’s a lab, you know? But that is Yeah, very interesting. Hey, Peter, I got to ask you about something else. And I’ll tee this up. So it’s maybe kind of funny and startling to people I want to ask you about sex. Know what I mean by that is, in your book, you hit on something that Napoleon Hill the famous author of thinking, grow rich And so many other great books talk about sex energy transmutation, he calls it sexual transmutation. Now, how did that apply in this situation? You know, what is it just elaborate on that a little bit for people?

Peter Sage 23:12
No, absolutely. I mean, you have to recognize that sex hormones are the strongest drivers of behavior in the human physiology, the urge and the desire to you know, testosterone will drive people, that primal instinct will override logic. It’s a real brain function. Oh, sure, sure.

Jason Hartman 23:28
And testosterone is present in women of course, too. It’s not just a male thing. You know, even though young men have a lot more of it, obviously. But you know, women have it too. But but

Peter Sage 23:36
that urge has probably been more responsible for more for more conflict in the world than just about anything else. Yeah. So how do we channel that now because you can either use it in a way that’s it’s like a human personalities like a water balloon, you know, you squeeze it one way is going to express itself the other you can’t compress it. So if you’ve still got that sexual urge that sexual drive, you can use it to channel into getting out of bed and maintaining discipline. I’m putting into my workout in the cell putting into creativity so I can write letters for hours so that I can meditate and stay on point. And really channel that drive into something that is productive that is high level of consciousness and useful rather than waste it at a low level of energy and frustration that it could lead me to, to walking out and wanting to punch somebody or punch the wall or scream or be short with somebody. So I had to consciously take charge of that, that that process while I was inside, otherwise, you know, I was at the mercy of whatever my hormone was in and then my mood or attitude or emotions want to do. That’s a pretty dangerous dice to roll when you’re in somewhere like Pentonville.

Jason Hartman 24:35
Yeah, yeah, sure. Sure. Tell us though. Can you make another comment or two on how you do that? Like, what’s the technique? So we get this idea that look, I mean, this is the biggest drive in any human being is sex drive, okay, right, right after you have food, water, clothing and shelter. That’s what’s next. And you know, you could argue that everything You do in life comes out of the sex drive, right? So it’s like really important that it is managed. So very primal thing, obviously. And this is why on the, like the political spectrum, I just think all this talk about, you know, mostly on the right, you know is about, you know, this behavior, that behavior and these rights and those rights, you know, you gotta just give up on this, this drive is just way too powerful folks, whatever someone’s preferences or whatever, you know, you got to just, like, be a libertarian about this stuff because you’re not going to legislate it.

Peter Sage 25:35
It’s just silly.

Jason Hartman 25:37
It’s powerful,

Peter Sage 25:38
you know, and while you can’t legislate, you can educate Yeah. And you know, for the natural urge of the human being is to, you know, let’s put some Why are we here, ultimately, My belief is that we’re here to learn how to grow up so that we can choose love instead of fear in ever more challenging circumstances. That’s kind of the the essence of why wicking Earth school under you know, which is my philosophy. So we need to learn how to love more. And we get that because you know, if a man and a woman don’t learn to cooperate, the human race is gonna die. So it’s in built into our biology now with a low level of consciousness that expresses itself as primal urges it expresses itself was lust at a high level of consciousness, you move far more into an expression of unconditional love and unity and oneness. And so where you are on the journey of emotional and spiritual maturity will reflect your expression of how you manage your sense of sexuality and expression. Is it about you? Or is it about, you know, being able to contribute who you are to the greater good? You know, if you take men I think that the first sign of sexual maturity for a man is when they finally understand that, you know, when you have a situation where a man finally understands that that it’s not about him and his endgame. At that point, he starts to open up to the fact that this is a can be an incredible experience of adding value and One plus one is 11. And you take it a higher levels and so that comes with it comes with maturity, it comes with emotional maturity, and that isn’t guaranteed with age, unfortunately. So Brian would

Jason Hartman 27:13
comment on that. There are a lot of children walking around the world in adult bodies.

Peter Sage 27:20
Yeah, and part of that is that you know, we don’t our school system isn’t set up to teach emotional maturity set up as a cookie cutter model out of you World War Two to do I post Industrial Revolution, right, I took on the model and post World War Two, but some that is a self directed initiative that one has to undertake, you know, not everybody’s playing the spiritual game, not everybody’s playing the personal evolution game. So a lot of people are paying the fear and scarcity game and unfortunately, it is a choice but most people aren’t aware that it’s a choice. So you know, to be able to control your level of sexuality is a really the starting point to self mastery. Because if you can’t control that, you know, I’ve got news for you. You’re not gonna be able to get out of bed in the morning when it’s cold and you mind coming Make up an excuse to press the snooze button.

Jason Hartman 28:01
Right? Yeah, no question about it that’s like so many things in life, there is not really a solution for a lot of things. There’s just management, you’ve got to manage things, you know, that’s a sign of maturity is to be able to manage things. So you don’t cave in to every little desire you have, you know, be while we’re just talking about or otherwise, you know, every little greed or I remember Earl Nightingale gave me a great quote many years ago, and I just love it. It’s here’s the quote, it’s a gentleman is someone who has the advantage, but doesn’t take it. And that can apply to business and life everywhere. You know, that’s a sign of maturity, like a mature person looks at the long game. They look at the long term view. They’re not victims to their instant gratification all the time. And whether you’re investing in real estate or opening a new business, or you know, having a relationship it’s Like the difference between, you know, do you want to win the battle? Or do you want to win the war? You know, and I’m not saying that in the sense that it’s a violent concept or warring. But but that metaphor is the short game or the long game, the small game or the big game, you know? So that’s always the choice we face many, many times a day in every area of life isn’t a Peter

Peter Sage 29:21
part of the game? Yeah, it’s why we’re here. And if we don’t learn it this time around, we are probably going to reset the class next time. Yeah, so that’s, that’s the parallel with school is the parallel with I call Earth school, that there is no end game as such. This is the journey it’s like a dance. You know, we we don’t set a destination in the middle of the dance floor to reach to that we enjoy the song we become better dancers as a result of enjoying what it is we’re there to do. And too many people are trying to get to an endgame. Like health. There’s no end game with health as a constant sense of relationship to health that allows you to manage yourself in a better than you did yesterday. And that’s okay. You don’t suddenly say okay, I’ll take my vitamins now. done you know I went to the gym last week now I’m done and that’s the physical equivalent quite easy to spot. So it comes to the spiritual growth. You know, we’re not done we don’t just sit down want to be enlightened. Yeah, you don’t go to a football game and just want to get the results. You enjoy the experience of growing up people to go to the gym enjoy going to the gym for a majority of them whether you’re the gym junkie, so no one has to not take it too seriously not beat yourself up for not getting to where you think you should be based on other people’s opinions. And really just make manage your journey through life as best you can appreciate the adversities. The bends in the river are always going to be there. Your job is to be a good sailor, not to which way the river winds.

Peter Sage 30:37
Yeah.

Jason Hartman 30:38
Great advice. You know, Sir vontae said that journey is better than the end. So that’s great. Peter, give out your website. And by and by the way, where are you located?

Peter Sage 30:47
I’m actually right now based in England, looking to move to Europe, I think in the next sort of few months

Jason Hartman 30:52
before you mean continental Europe. You’re obviously and you’re already but

Peter Sage 30:56
yeah, website is Peter sage.com. In fact, So right now you can go and download a copy as a gift from me for the inside track, which is the the letters that I wrote inside that really delineate all of the tools that I was using the insights that were happening in real time and, and how I was being able to use the situation to my advantage and help other people do so too. And I break down everything from the suicide interventions that I did to the people I got off drugs to, now that I want national awards in there for some of the work I was doing. It was again, it was really an adventure. But I wanted other people to be able to do that in their life because as you say, now the contrast is is great. Yeah, we’re not living under pol pot. Yeah, you’re not living in a place where you can’t be told what coffee to drink. So if you can see a parallel where you can use someone like myself going through adversity at that level. Yeah. Next time somebody flips you off in traffic, you’ve probably got a better tool set to be able to handle it. Yeah,

Jason Hartman 31:52
yeah. Good stuff. Peter. That’s fantastic. Great information. Thank you for coming back on the show and sharing this amazing amazing experience or adventure you had very few people would look at it this way. But I think you really helped our listeners today kind of shift their focus. You know, it’s all about focus and asking the right questions in our conversations with ourselves. So great stuff. Good to have you back. We look forward to having you back in the future. Peter sage. Thanks for joining us.

Peter Sage 32:19
Thank you, Jason. And thank you for doing what you’re doing with the information you put out. It’s It’s always a pleasure to work with people that are so committed to serving their audience.

Jason Hartman 32:27
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